2009 NLL Entry Draft order

[RockyNY]

From NLL Insider... Sorry, Boston - No #1 pick for ya this year. :-D

However, Rochester is getting the top two picks, barring trades. If draft was taken today --- this is how its going to be.

Read disclaimer at the end of this thread.

2009 NLL Entry Draft Order, First Round

1. Rochester Knighthawks (via Edmonton Rush)
2. Rochester Knighthawks (via Toronto Rock)
3. Minnesota Swarm
4. Colorado Mammoth
5. Colorado Mammoth (via Rochester Knighthawks)
6. Toronto Rock (via San Jose Stealth)
7. Toronto Rock (via Edmonton Rush, via Portland Lumberjax)
8. Boston Blazers
9. Edmonton Rush (via Buffalo Bandits)
10. New York Titans
11. Calgary Roughnecks
12. Edmonton Rush (via San Jose Stealth, via Chicago Shamrox)

This is how the first round stands as of today, but depending on what goes on during the NLL’s off-season in regards to team movement and trades, things could obviously change.

[dougm]

well sid smith is the obvious #1 - all of a sudden once he arrive the orange are a defensive juggernaut - so some say zach greer but i'll be looking @ billings from uva. that delgarno kid has to rank high as well. among the yanks, there is cornell's siebald but you gotta be impressed how crotty has stepped it up @ duke.

[Corporal]

I wouldn't be surprised if Dalgarno goes to the Swarm to team him up offensively with Buchanan just like in college at The Ohio State.

This weekend is the USILA North-South All-Star Game in Boston. Last year, Marty O'Neill and the Arlottas went to this game and drafted Joe Cinosky, Andrew Watt, Kevin Buchanan, Ricky Pages, Bruce Bickford and Justin Haworth, who all played in the 2008 game. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Swarm draft a few players from this game either. Two guys from Notre Dame are playing which may intrigue alum Swarm owner John Arlotta.

[FINN]

... why do none of Roy's positions list the Wings draft pick?

Yeah, I know the Wings dealt it away, but to who, or how many more times was it moved?

Plus how does Chicago [the 12th pick?!] still rate owning a pick? Shouldn't that pick have been the Champs' - Calgary's?

Just looking for further clarification of "the list" since it may get used several times like last year's list.

~Finn

[Corporal]

Originally Posted by RockyNY

2009 NLL Entry Draft Order, First Round

1. Rochester Knighthawks (via Edmonton Rush)
2. Rochester Knighthawks (via Toronto Rock)
3. Minnesota Swarm
4. Colorado Mammoth
5. Colorado Mammoth (via Rochester Knighthawks)
6. Toronto Rock (via San Jose Stealth)
7. Toronto Rock (via Edmonton Rush, via Portland Lumberjax)
8. Boston Blazers
9. Edmonton Rush (via Buffalo Bandits)
10. New York Titans
11. Calgary Roughnecks
12. Edmonton Rush (via San Jose Stealth, via Chicago Shamrox)

This is how the first round stands as of today, but depending on what goes on during the NLL’s off-season in regards to team movement and trades, things could obviously change.

I would think Philly would have #4 and Colorado would have #5 and 6 with the rest moving down based on the seeding by the NLL in this article. Not sure how the Rush get the last pick but if Tutka got it from the league, he got it from the league. Just go in reverse for draft positioning leaving out trades:

1 Calgary (12-4)
2 New York (10-6)
3 Buffalo (10-6)
4 Boston (10-6)
5 Portland (9-7)
6 San Jose (7-9)
7 Rochester (7-9)
8 Colorado (7-9)
Out of the playoffs
9. Philadelphia (7-9)
10. MINNESOTA (6-10)
11. Toronto (6-10)
12. Edmonton (5-11)

[Corporal]

I wonder if Philly would get the pick back or if they just lose it since they traded to Chicago.

03/05/2008
PHILADELPHIA WINGS: Traded Matt Roik, Brad Self, their first round selection in the 2009 Entry Draft and their second round selection in the 2010 Entry Draft to Chicago in exchange for Brandon Miller and a second round selection in the 2008 Entry Draft. Signed Matt Eckerl to the Active Roster

This may be the #12 pick for Edmonton

First - Chicago trades to San Jose

08/29/2008
SAN JOSE STEALTH: Traded Anthony Cosmo to the Chicago Shamrox in exchange for Matt Roik and their first round selection in the 2008 Entry Draft and their first round selection in the 2009 Entry Draft.

Second - San Jose trades to Edmonton

03/17/2009
EDMONTON RUSH: Have traded Steve Dietrich to the Toronto Rock in exchange for their second round selection in the 2009 Entry Draft. Have traded Andrew Biers to the San Jose Stealth in exchange for a first round selection in the 2009 Entry Draft.

[WingsNut423566]

Originally Posted by Corporal

I wonder if Philly would get the pick back or if they just lose it since they traded to Chicago.

That pick that the Wings dealt to Chicago is lost per the NLL.

[FINN]

03/17/2009
EDMONTON RUSH: Have traded Andrew Biers to the San Jose Stealth in exchange for a first round selection in the 2009 Entry Draft.

Yeah but who determines that the pick they dealt to Edmonton was the "SanJose-owned-Chicago-sourced" pick or San Jose's own pick?

Under that notion...
1. Edmonton (5-11) owned now by TOR [Benesch deal] how did it get to ROC according to Tuts?
2. Toronto (6-10) owned by ROC [Huntley deal, SJ was a 3rd player in this one
3. MINNESOTA (6-10)
4. Philadelphia (7-9)
5 Colorado (7-9)
6 Rochester (7-9) owned by COL - GAIT deal
7 San Jose (7-9)
8 Portland (9-7)
9 Boston (10-6)
10 Buffalo (10-6)
11 New York (10-6)
12 Calgary (12-4)

and so on...?

[fandit]

Here is a link to Tutka's March 17 article about the draft, He explains how each pick got to where it is. It should explain all of it.

[mtbf]

Yeah but who determines that the pick they dealt to Edmonton was the "SanJose-owned-Chicago-sourced" pick or San Jose's own pick?

It would be spelled out in the trade Tuka's info came from the NLL so it should be correct

[Rabid Camel]

Philly traded their pick to chicago...they already got value in the trade, they get nothing else...the pick disappears since Shamrox disappeared.

Chicago's pick eventually ended up with Edmonton, Shamrox could not be slotted since (duh..) they did not play...so by rule that pick goes to the end of the first round.

This looks correct to me:

1. Rochester Knighthawks (via Edmonton Rush)
2. Rochester Knighthawks (via Toronto Rock)
3. Minnesota Swarm
4. Colorado Mammoth
5. Colorado Mammoth (via Rochester Knighthawks)
6. Toronto Rock (via San Jose Stealth)
7. Toronto Rock (via Edmonton Rush, via Portland Lumberjax)
8. Boston Blazers
9. Edmonton Rush (via Buffalo Bandits)
10. New York Titans
11. Calgary Roughnecks
12. Edmonton Rush (via San Jose Stealth, via Chicago Shamrox)

Rocha, Colo, and Toronto are sitting pretty in a very strong draft...

[Jstrlaxn]

FIRST ROUND
1. Rochester (from Edmonton)
2. Rochester (from Toronto)
3. Minnesota
4. Colorado
5. Colorado (from Rochester)
6. Toronto (from San Jose)
7. Toronto (from Portland via Edmonton)
8. Boston
9. Edmonton (from Buffalo)
10. New York
11. Calgary/Toronto*
12. Edmonton (from Chicago via San Jose)





SECOND ROUND

13. Minnesota (from Edmonton)
14. Edmonton (from Toronto)
15. Toronto (from Minnesota)
16. Philadelphia
17. Colorado
18. Rochester
19. San Jose
20. Boston
21. Buffalo
22. Minnesota (from New York)*
23. Minnesota (from Calgary)




THIRD ROUND
24. Buffalo (from Edmonton)
25. Toronto
26. Portland (from Minnesota)
27. Philadelphia
28. Calgary (from Colorado)
29. Rochester
30. San Jose
31. Portland
32. San Jose (from Boston)
33. Buffalo
34. Colorado (from New York)
35. Boston (from Calgary)
36. Rochester (from Arizona)



FOURTH ROUND
37. Portland (from Edmonton)
38. Colorado (from Toronto)
39. Minnesota
40. Philadelphia
41. Boston (from Colorado)
42. Portland (from Rochester)
43. Portland (from San Jose)
44. Portland
45. Buffalo (from Boston)
46. Buffalo
47. New York




FIFTH ROUND

48. Edmonton
49. Toronto
50. Minnesota
51. Philadelphia
52. Colorado
53. Rochester
54. Portland (from San Jose)
55. Portland
56. Edmonton (from Boston)
57. Buffalo
58. New York
59. Calgary



SIXTH ROUND

60. Edmonton
61. Toronto
62. Minnesota
63. Philadelphia
64. Colorado
65. Rochester
66. San Jose
67. Portland
68. Boston
69. Buffalo
70. New York
71. Calgary

[Craigwd]

Why doesn't Calgary have the #12 pick? I can't recall any trades.

[RockyNY]

Can someone explain to me why do Rochester get #36 overall pick (3rd Round) from Arizona when Arizona disband in 2008?

We understand the Edmonton-San Jose-Chicago situation but Rochester-Arizona? Explain please

Roy

[thebullet]

Originally Posted by RockyNY

Can someone explain to me why do Rochester get #36 overall pick (3rd Round) from Arizona when Arizona disband in 2008?

We understand the Edmonton-San Jose-Chicago situation but Rochester-Arizona? Explain please

Roy

Arizona traded them their 2009 pick I guess?

[mtbf]

Can someone explain to me why do Rochester get #36 overall pick (3rd Round) from Arizona when Arizona disband in 2008?

I do not know why this is so hard for everyone it took less than 20 seconds to find with google

ROCHESTER KNIGHTHAWKS: Traded their 42nd selection in the 2007 Entry Draft to the Arizona Sting in exchange for their 83rd selection in the 2007 Entry Draft and their third round selection in the 2009 Entry Draft.

[Rabid Camel]

Originally Posted by Craigwd

Why doesn't Calgary have the #12 pick? I can't recall any trades.

OK here goes...Calgary's pick moved up to #11 since what would have been the Philly pick at #4 dissapears since Philly traded it to Chicago who disappeared...that pick is gone from the draft, deleted, terminated, defunct, it no longer exists...so there would have been only 11 picks in the first round this year...!except the Shamrox, before going kaput, traded away their own 2009 1st round pick which eventually ended up with Edmonton, so this pick is slotted at the end of the first round in the #12 spot due to the shamrox nonexistence this year...note that the #12 pick has nothing to do with calgary.

[Craigwd]

Makes sense. Thanks.

[Jstrlaxn]

Originally Posted by Rabid Camel

OK here goes...Calgary's pick moved up to #11 since what would have been the Philly pick at #4 dissapears since Philly traded it to Chicago who disappeared...that pick is gone from the draft, deleted, terminated, defunct, it no longer exists...so there would have been only 11 picks in the first round this year...!except the Shamrox, before going kaput, traded away their own 2009 1st round pick which eventually ended up with Edmonton, so this pick is slotted at the end of the first round in the #12 spot due to the shamrox nonexistence this year...note that the #12 pick has nothing to do with calgary.

CALGARY ROUGHNECKS: Traded Lewis Ratcliff and a conditional first or second round selection in the 2009 Entry Draft to Toronto in exchange for Josh Sanderson and their first round selection in the 2008 Entry Draft.

[Craigwd]

Originally Posted by Jstrlaxn

CALGARY ROUGHNECKS: Traded Lewis Ratcliff and a conditional first or second round selection in the 2009 Entry Draft to Toronto in exchange for Josh Sanderson and their first round selection in the 2008 Entry Draft.

Yes, that explained why there is no pick in the first round. It looks like Calgary would have picked #11 but I was wondering why it was not #12.

So thanks RC.

[mighty mouth]

Originally Posted by mtbf

I do not know why this is so hard for everyone it took less than 20 seconds to find with google

ROCHESTER KNIGHTHAWKS: Traded their 42nd selection in the 2007 Entry Draft to the Arizona Sting in exchange for their 83rd selection in the 2007 Entry Draft and their third round selection in the 2009 Entry Draft.

Except it should be a non pick like Philly and Boston 08.

Before Boston took the year off Philly traded a pick in exchange for Bergey after he was selected in expansion draft(the 1st time) and Philly got nothing back because the team folded, although Boston still used the draft pick before disbanding.

[Niknak]

Originally Posted by mighty mouth

Except it should be a non pick like Philly and Boston 08.

Before Boston took the year off Philly traded a pick in exchange for Bergey after he was selected in expansion draft(the 1st time) and Philly got nothing back because the team folded, although Boston still used the draft pick before disbanding.

The way the league does it, if you gave a pick to a team and they fold, you don't get it back. If you own a pick from a team that folds, it moves to the end of the round it was in.